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Racing Challenge

Title: Village
Author: Victor Narl
Cars allowed: Jaguar XJR9 IMSA
Style: OWOOT
Started: 2025-02-01
Deadline: 2025-02-25 23:59 UTC
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Erik Barros @2025-02-06 00:50:58 UTC
As always, I'm trying to catch @Duplode's NoRH replay using RH, he he he!
Duplode @2025-02-05 13:22:36 UTC
Nice! By the way, I see @Erik Barros is on the track as well
Cas @2025-02-04 18:06:09 UTC
It works! It does have a limitation, but I don't think there'll be a problem. Also, that limitation can be circumvented.
Cas @2025-02-04 18:03:02 UTC
I'm testing a fix I've applied so that mentions of two-word racer names such as @Victor Narl and @Alan Rotoi are automatically detected. Let's see...
Cas @2025-02-04 17:55:18 UTC
For live races, we normally gather in the chat and forum at an agreed time and we all start driving at the same time. You're allowed RH, but because it's live and time is very limited, you can only practically use it to undo a crash. It's a lot of fun and a very different way of racing.
Cas @2025-02-04 17:53:44 UTC
There's one more way of controlling cheating, which is live exchange of data. That's why I mentioned live races. It's very hard to do any useful cheating there. Also, a mod that broadcasts your position while you race and a server that records it and a track provided just before the recording would work, but we don't yet have that.
Victor Narl @2025-02-04 07:16:16 UTC
@Cas, I could participate if technically possible, but I have never broadcasted before and would need detailed instructions.
Victor Narl @2025-02-04 07:01:40 UTC
@Duplode, about the Luke program for substituting the result in .HIG, it's also bad, but this cheat can be determined by the time the replay was recorded. If anything, NoRH can almost always be distinguished from RH visually, which is what Overdrijf was talking about.
Victor Narl @2025-02-04 07:01:04 UTC
@Duplode, about .HIG, if you mean the Mingva trick, then it's a nasty cheat! I was shocked and even wanted to quit racing when I first found out that it was possible to cheat .HIG like that. I think that a NoRH racer caught cheating like that even once should be excluded from competitions forever!
Duplode @2025-02-04 01:03:47 UTC
Lemme begin to rectify that
Alan Rotoi @2025-02-04 00:07:07 UTC
Too much talk and few replays here
Duplode @2025-02-03 23:01:27 UTC
[Part 2/2] @Victor Narl, in particular, you sure have a point about video becoming a technical obstacle. (I guess one reason why no one has tried to make a video-based NoRH tournament since 2009 is that it was quite a hassle to do.)
Duplode @2025-02-03 23:01:05 UTC
[Part 1/2] We don't bother with HIGs as proof of NoRH because, in our view, they are too easy to circumvent to be worth the trouble: If you continue from the end of a saved replay, the game will allow you to write a high score. The options left, then, are basing it on trust (as we do here at R4K with NoRH laps), requiring video (as SDR and FTT used to do), or modding the game to make RH impossible (as NTT does). Each of those options has its own pros and cons.
Cas @2025-02-03 22:05:18 UTC
Hey, @Victor Narl, what do you think about live races? Would you like to join when we next have one? We usually organise about three or four such events per year.
Victor Narl @2025-02-03 20:58:57 UTC
@Argammon, yes, I also see in #385 (2023), the racer obviously sent the result after the flag and struuunz counted it as if nothing had happened! Brutal... https://dosreloaded.de/forum/thread/5995-4d-sports-driving-stunts-jahrescontest-2023/?pageNo=20
Victor Narl @2025-02-03 20:43:40 UTC
@Alan Rotoi, I don't think broadcasting is necessary. Replay plus .HIG is enough. For example, I don't have the technical ability to broadcast. (I play from Win XP directly, without DOSBox. I'm used to it.)
Victor Narl @2025-02-03 20:37:09 UTC
@Argammon, besides what you pointed out on those turns, the grass there is also internal! mooh himself said that internal grass is always taboo because it is a shortcut - a contradiction!
Alan Rotoi @2025-02-03 20:31:36 UTC
A solution to avoid an erosion of trust in the manager and the community as a whole would be publishing the replays, or if you want a more sophisticated way, but no need to download any files, people can stream their laps. It can be done easily with a 10 year old PC, so no need for modern equipment. The validation would be watching a few videos. Fast and easy.
Victor Narl @2025-02-03 20:30:50 UTC
@Argammon, and I personally took it as a guideline to always have less grass than mooh in this replay (279), namely only a maximum of light touches of the wheel rim on the grass, nothing more. I have the rest of mooh's replays from Zak's archive but I haven't had time to watch them all.
Victor Narl @2025-02-03 20:30:16 UTC
@Argammon, yes, it's really strange that the whole wheel is on the grass... This doesn't look like mooh's status. He seemed to me to be the standard of these competitions. When I started on the forum, mooh published a replay in post 279: https://dosreloaded.de/forum/thread/7264-4d-sports-driving-stunts-jahrescontest-2024/?pageNo=14
Argammon @2025-02-03 19:40:50 UTC
@Victor Narl, your example highlights the whole problem. Drivers presumably often drive on the grass, but this is usually not noticed because replays are typically not uploaded. You can find a prominent example in post 378 of the 2023 contest thread. The car is clearly on the grass at 46.15 and 1:45.65, as can be seen from the F2 or F3 perspective. And that replay did not come from a midfield racer, it earned second place that month.
Victor Narl @2025-02-03 18:32:39 UTC
@Argammon, by the way, last month (despite the disapproving whistles from the stands, particularly from oerk), I managed to discredit one of the results from DOSReloaded. You can read it: https://dosreloaded.de/forum/thread/7264-4d-sports-driving-stunts-jahrescontest-2024/?pageNo=18
Victor Narl @2025-02-03 18:30:50 UTC
@Argammon, the rules for sending only .HIG sometimes raise questions, but it's no less strange than only sending replays without .HIG (for NoRH competitions). In any case, sending both replays and .HIG is optimal.
Argammon @2025-02-03 18:15:03 UTC
Regarding ZakStunts, the advantage of not having to stay on the track is that it allows for stunning tricks that would otherwise not be possible. Just download a couple of winning replays and have a look.
Argammon @2025-02-03 18:10:45 UTC
@Victor Narl, as far as I am concerned, you can suggest whatever rule change suits you. On the topic of rules I do not like, the one from a certain competition that a screenshot is enough "verification" of a lap would be hard to top. In particular, in conjunction with a rule that every pixel of the car must be on the track.
Victor Narl @2025-02-03 17:19:42 UTC
@Argammon, so if I were to participate in Zak, I would suggest a rule for competitions called "at least 50% on/above the track". If the racer drove less than 50% on the track (you need to count the length directly by the cells), then such a replay is considered unofficial/cheating and not accepted into the competition. I think the rule is fair and worth discussing.
Victor Narl @2025-02-03 17:19:12 UTC
@Argammon, I also don't like it in ZakStunts when many replays contain 80-90% driving on grass. I think it's acceptable to drive on grass in free, but in general, the grass shouldn't prevail over the track, otherwise it's a competition of lawn mowers, not cars.
Argammon @2025-02-03 14:25:25 UTC
@Victor Narl, that's a matter of preference. I really do like the car coefficients. I would also like to add that ZakStunts is the place to be if you are looking for a challenge. Yes, drivers like Alan Rotoi, Duplode and I also submit laps elsewhere, but these are casual, low-effort laps compared to what we submit at ZakStunts. It is a completely different level.
Victor Narl @2025-02-02 18:41:29 UTC
@Argammon, yes, I apologize. I got carried away in January at DOSReloaded and couldn't answer in time. Here is my answer: I do not have an account at ZakStunts yet. The main thing I do not like about its formula is the useless coefficients of cars. I prefer competitions where everyone drives the same car, but I will think about it, since I will definitely register with Zak to participate in his forum.
Argammon @2025-02-02 14:53:38 UTC
@Victor Narl, it is fair enough that you do not want to race at ZakStunts, but you could at least have responded before inviting other players to the competition at DOSReloaded.
Victor Narl @2025-02-02 08:02:27 UTC
@Alan Rotoi, I knew you had an account there (I looked at old forum posts), so I invite you to come back to the 2025 championship that is happening right now.
Alan Rotoi @2025-02-01 22:20:59 UTC
Actually, I joined a couple of years ago and posted a live stream replay: https://www.youtube.com/live/a5UUqcE3u_8?si=04A5QOlfzwpRPUZW
Victor Narl @2025-02-01 20:35:28 UTC
@Alan Rotoi, thank you. I tried. By the way, I invite you to DOSReloaded 2025. Almost all of us have already joined - it will be interesting there this year: https://dosreloaded.de/forum/thread/8169-4d-sports-driving-stunts-jahrescontest-2025/
Alan Rotoi @2025-02-01 19:10:40 UTC
Hey @Victor Narl, nice and challenging track! I'll keep racing!


Pos.RacerLapCarStylePostedStatus
1   Alan Rotoi 1:00.45Jaguar XJR9 IMSAOWOOT/RH2025-02-01
2   Duplode 1:06.30Jaguar XJR9 IMSAOWOOT/NoRH2025-02-04
3   Erik Barros 1:08.60Jaguar XJR9 IMSAOWOOT/RH2025-02-04
   Duplode 1:08.80Jaguar XJR9 IMSAOWOOT/NoRH2025-02-04
4   Igor 1:15.95Jaguar XJR9 IMSAOWOOT/RH2025-02-08
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